On
a recent post, I shared the insights of Angela Ma, a student who attended
what many think of as the best secondary school in the US: Thomas
Jefferson High School for Science and Technology (TJSSST). Her blog
post is one of the best overviews of what it like from a student’s perspective
to be in a school in which pressure is endemic and in which expectations are
high from both the students themselves and from the parents too.
Angela is smart, funny, and unafraid to write what she
thinks. Her prose demonstrates she will be a voice we will be hearing from for
quite some time. Her
recent post on traveling through Europe on $450.00 should inspire
people in a different way. At the moment, Angela is doing an internship with
Facebook and as of this weekend, has now skydived
from 10,000. She is a risk taker and a talented wordsmith who can
educate anyone of age. The interview with her that follows will
demonstrate that my abstract assertions about Angela are all true-- her words
are beautiful proof.
First of all, could you give us a quick sketch
of your family background? Where did you grow up? Is there anything you want to
share about your family?
I tell people I’m from D.C. because it’s only two letters of
effort. In reality, I’m from NoVa, which is the four-letters-of-effort version
of Northern Virginia. My childhood consisted of much love and many books. Not
necessarily mutually exclusive.
Fairfax County is home to one of the best
public school systems in the US. In addition, it has what many think to be The
Best public high school in the US—Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and
Technology. You have written what I think I the best description of this
school, and not just from a student perspective, that I have ever read. I have
already posted it on this blog, but I wanted to ask a few follow-up questions.
The competition to get into TJ now begins
pre-kindergarten for some. The same is also true for some of the posh private
schools in NYC, in magnet schools in Beijing and other places around the globe.
Is all the pressure about education and
schools more harmful than helpful? Was it that way for you?
“The competition to get into TJ now begins for some
pre-kindergarten” actually triggered a spinal gag reflex. (For those of you who
don’t know what that is—which would be everyone, because I just made it up—it’s
a convoluted shudder.) This reflects my opinion re: the state of pre-collegiate
education. Pressure is a synonym for “extrinsic motivation,” which forcefully achieves
things in the short run, but is extremely unconducive to long-term growth,
curiosity, and learning. That long-term stuff is what makes a successful human
being.
To become a successful human being, you need INTRINSIC
motivation. Pressure kills intrinsic motivation.
I owe a lot to my parents. Bad grade? “Mark your mistakes and do
better next time.” Magnet school? “You can apply if you want.” Actually,
though. I thought TJ was a brand of toothpaste ‘til two months before the test.
TJ Cheering squad 2017
Should parents think twice about doing the
prep route for their children? Would you want your own children to go to TJ?
|
In the comments, someone mentioned prep for medical school. They
argued that you must study to get in
and follow your dreams; it’s a fact of life. I was stymied until I realized
they were comparing MED school to HIGH school.
That’s not right. Post-preteens are too pimply to be exposed to
more stress-induced acne. And also, that’s
not right.
I’d also like to address the issue of [economic] diversity. Prep
classes are a barrier to entry. You’re losing out on great candidates who lack
time, energy, and/or money. How can we reimagine the admissions process to
solve this? No one knows. But also, no one’s trying to know. Let’s change that.
At current, TJ is a toxic environment where kids care more about
transcripts than they do about themselves and each other. Unless the
administration (a) acknowledges this and (b) challenges it head-on, it will NOT
get better. It will get WORSE. I’d shudder to have children in the first place;
I’d shudder even more to send them there.
Is the global marketplace making it more
competitive for anyone hoping to make it to the top of any selective
process—school, internship, job etc.?
Only statistically. Never look at application statistics,
because they turn people into numbers. And—you’ll never believe what I’m about
to tell you—A PERSON IS NOT A NUMBER!!!
If you’re passionate, and you act on your passions, you will get
what you want. You will get where you want. Of course, this applies
to people who want to make an impact,
not to make a million.
Could you describe yourself as a student in
high school? What kinds of classes did you take and what kinds of activities
did you involve yourself in? Did you have a passion?
When I started high school, I was that kid who cried silently
throughout the entirety of gym class because she’d gotten a B on a math test
the period before.
This changed quickly. It was a serious wakeup call to see this
behavior in my peers. Horrified, I ripped the blinders from my head and charged
off in the opposite direction. I started writing more. I locked fists with mental
illness. I cheered competitively. I wrote. I climbed trees. I ate food. And
also, I wrote.
I wasn’t a great student. I spent most of my time with words and
music; I’d do homework in the car, sometimes walk into a test without studying.
Everyone knows me now as an advocate for passion, but back then, I didn’t have
any of my shit figured out. I eked it out and graduated, completely in awe of
the fact that I didn’t flunk out along the way.
Angela with her younger brother |
TJ, like other magnet schools across the US,
has a high percentage of Asian students (over 60%). To what do you
attribute the over-representation of Asians at magnet schools U Cal schools,
the Ivies, and schools like UChicago?
Traditionally, in Asia, success is a formula. Straight A’s. Certain
academic institutions. High-paying jobs. There’s no space for thinking outside
the box. What if success amounts to more than that? The answer you’ll hear from
most parents is, Uh, it doesn’t.
This mindset is shallow and mechanical. It’s toxic. And it’s so deeply
engrained, no one questions it. It’s brainwashception—the brainwashed parents brainwash
their kids. Lots of brains. Also, lots of washing.
One moment that stands out to me: I’m at a social gathering,
reading a book and eavesdropping (typical). Five Asian parents gossip
aggressively in a football huddle. “I heard Bob didn’t get into MIT. Did he
apply to Harvard? Or Yale? Ai ya, what a waste. He probably didn’t get in.”
Someone else goes, “Rebecca got into Princeton!” And then the whole squadron
erupts into a symphony of neck-twitching, nerves-giggling “oo oo oo oo oo!” I’m
so disgusted I tuck my book under my arm and go pee for the next forty-five
minutes.
To answer your question: the schools you listed are all Part Of
The “”””Success”””” Formula. Thus, it’s a supermagnet for Tunnel Vision
Parents. Other families may be intimidated. Or, even if they’re interested in
TJ, they don’t think it’s worth the effort to compete again Tunnel Visioners.
I encourage kids to think for themselves and stand up to their
parents. (But also, remember that they’re your parents. There’s a line, and you
have to understand how to handle it before you roll up your sleeves to go move it.)
Do you feel you have suffered in any way
because of your background?
You won’t get a satisfactory answer from me. I actually value
suffering quite a lot. Thus, when I’m reflecting back on the past, it’s nearly
impossible to differentiate positive and negative experiences, since they all
mesh into one holistic stew called Experience. And I judge Experience based on
impact—how much I learned, how much I grew. Suffering loses its label that way.
How many colleges did you apply to? How hard
was it to fill out everything and still keep up with your schoolwork and
activities? Why did you choose U. Chicago?
I applied to six, I think. I scheduled essay rounds and
application cycles well in advance, so I didn’t struggle to meet deadlines.
Another unsatisfactory answer: I chose UChicago because it won
out in the Excel spreadsheet.
(Said Excel spreadsheet consisted of a dozen rows like “weather”
and “cool classes” and “social life,” which were weighted by importance and
tallied up to calculate the final score. I suck at decision-making unless
numbers are involved.)
Angela writing on the edge of Lake Michigan |
You are a wonderful writer. You published a
novel when you were in middle school and you have not stopped writing since.
Where do you think your love of words comes from? Are writers born or
made?
I don’t love words. It’s much more visceral than that. They fill
the cracks between my teeth and nest in the walls of my veins. Sometimes I
think I can feel them leprechaun-hopping along my brain-wrinkles. In that way,
I can’t tell you where they came from. They’ve just been.
I believe all of us are born “in love” with something. We might
not know it until we’re fifteen, thirty-five, fifty-five. Maybe even eighty. We
might not even be good at it; you
don’t have to be good at something to be passionate about it (my mantra in
times of self-doubt). Still, life jostles us back and down and forth and up;
ultimately, if we let ourselves go, we will fall into the right place. I hold tight
to this faith.
Can you list a few writers who have influenced
you and why they have?
Kurt Vonnegut’s wit. Joseph Heller’s humor. Ken Kesey’s imagery.
Chuck Palahniuk’s punch. Rainbow Rowell’s voice. Aime Cesaire’s language. Ezra
Pound’s mind. Andre Breton’s metaphors. The list goes on.
Can you talk a bit about UChicago? What are
some of your favorite classes and why? What is a typical day like for you?
So far, my favorite class has been Fundamentals of Poetry,
taught by Peter O’Leary. I learned I suck at writing poetry. But I also learned
I love the taste of it. Did you know Spotify has a Modern Poetry playlist?
I adored Elements of Economic Analysis-1 (Doron Ravid), which
was micro and models. Lots of graphs and algebra-crunching. You’re essentially
attaching numbers to human behavior. Cool stuff.
I’m a morning person, which means I’m up at 5:30 and down at
10:30. My boyfriend hates it. So does my social life. (Actually, my social life
has lost the ability to hate altogether, on account of the fact that my sleep
schedule has already strangled it to death.) I do cardio kickboxing three times
a week; I’m trying to meditate once a day. Last quarter, when I was on lockdown
to finish a project, I was writing 3-8 hours a day. I also held a couple of
on-campus jobs.
Is it as intense as some people say and is
this like a tougher/bigger version to TJ? What do you see as the biggest
differences between high school and college?
Intense, yeah, but how boring would things be if they weren’t
intense? Also, everything boils down to time management. Everything.
The biggest difference is freedom. You can go to class, or not.
You can do your homework, or not. It’s all up to you: what you take and when,
what you eat, who you’re with.
Angela attending U. Chicago Snow Ball with boyfriend |
How have you changed since arriving on campus?
Is it safe to challenge ideas/points of view there?
In high school, I cared about my classes as much as most people
care about old socks or lost ballpoint pens. In college, I suddenly became invested
in the material. That was a real life-changer. When you want to learn, school levels up. And when I say “levels up,” I mean
you have a pet slug, and you go to sleep, and the next morning you wake up and
there’s a goddamned UNICORN in the bowl.
I’ve changed infinitely. I learned how to pin life up against
the wall. I learned how to let it beat me down. I met people; I became people;
I left people behind. I’m almost entirely New.
It’s safe to challenge ideas…as long as you’re challenging the
right ones. UChicago’s very liberal. Sometimes I wonder, though, how many
fights are first-world fights.
You back-packed through Europe this summer on
an amazingly low budget. How did you decide to do this and are there things you
wish you did that you didn’t or things you wish you hadn’t done?
I made the most out of my trip, so I don’t think I could’ve done
it any better.
From my blog post:
I’ve always told people I want to backpack
through Europe.
It hit me one day that I was becoming my
greatest fear: someone who dreams, but doesn’t do. So then, instead of saying I
wanted to backpack through Europe, I started saying I was going to backpack
through Europe.
Still, in the back of my mind, I knew the
truth. I didn’t have money. I didn’t have experience. And most importantly, I
possessed the street smarts and self-defense skills of a limp spaghetti noodle.
Eventually, it hit me again. I wasn’t becoming
my greatest fear—I was already living it. I was making excuses instead of
taking risks. Pretty soon, I’d graduate and get a job. Marry, pop a fetus or
two, invest in stocks, buy a house . . . trod along, happy and ordinary . . .
eat a muffin . . . retire . . . eat a couple more muffins . . . die . . .
So I bought tickets to Rome.
And that was that.
In addition to your trip, you are currently
doing in internship at Facebook. First of all, congratulations. You have an
internship that pretty much anybody in the world would love to have. What do
you think were the reasons you earned this coveted internship?
I care about what I do, and I care about other people.
That’s it, my friends. The key to life.
Where do you see yourself in 5 or 10 years?
What is the passion you wish to pursue and how will you do it?
AGHHHH CRISIS! THE DREADED INTERVIEW QUESTION!
I know I’ll be backpacking through every continent but
Antarctica (lacking in funds). I plan to work on an elephant farm in Thailand.
I’m hoping to join some Tibetan monks for at least six months. I’d like to get
my MFA in creative writing. I’d like to finish my novel, to inspire some
people.
And I’m beginning to realize that you don’t have to lock yourself
into a single passion. The world is full of them.
Secret #1: You have to go find what you want.
Secret #2: When you do find what you want, you have to go get
it.
Life’s short; death’s fickle. Don’t give yourself any excuses.
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Angela and friends on their way to skydive from 10,000 ft. |
And so it goes. Or it doesn’t. Fans of Vonnegut will know
that my first sentence is a refrain that occurs throughout his book Slaughterhouse
Five. It is both a less potentially
offensive version of “Shit Happens” and also, perhaps, a subtle hint that our
Fates are not in our control, but are nevertheless structured in a linear way.
But then, for me at least, there is the random too. And luck, good and bad,
counts. And so it goes…Vonnegut is one of Angela’s muses and we all need muses
and mentors. Despite the fact that I have several more decades of experience
than Angela, I still consider a mentor. Within and between minds, time is not
linear.
All of which is a rather abstract way of saying how lucky I
am to have Angela take time to share her words with us. It is a matter of luck and fate that we “met”.
I saw her TJ piece on line and knew she
would be someone who would have additional insights about life, education, and
writing that would be inspirational to anyone who took the time to read her
words.
Those with a writing background will nod in agreement (or
shout out loud in holy affirmation) with her definition of how writing inhabits
her being. I also came away humbled that someone so early on in life’s journey
has so much flat out talent.
. To me, humanity consists in an endless conversation. Some
of the interactions are dreadfully dull, some are literally death sentences, but
then there are the creative pices and scientific formulas that alter our way of
living in the world they are the less
travelled path of the artists and visionaries. Of which Angela is one.
But we also talked about how happiness may well be over-rated as the goal of all mortals. Those who have changed the world from Socrates to
Jesus to Joan of Arc to Gandhi to Nelson Mandela and others did not believe happiness
as the be all and end all. To see, to really see, is sometimes to understand
the tragic or the random nature of fate.
But anyone who thinks that this dooms one to a withdrawal
from living in the world in ways that embrace life have not read Angela’s words.
Her words are full the energy of being that is worth striving for. University life is meant to shake us up and
let us see things in new ways. She underscores this. While there is some controversy
on how much this confrontational form of learning should happen on campuses the
U. Chicago and some other places encourage coming to terms, so to speak, with
one’s limitations and by learning about them to expand linguistic and mental boundaries. This may be
the meaning that we must seek and that will lead to a path that passeth
understanding. And so it goes…
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