How does someone get accepted into what some surveys call the best Liberal Arts College in the US? What should a student do on campus to contribute in and out of the classroom? How does a student prepare for the real world after graduation? Lisa provides invaluable insights in her interview.
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Questions
Can
you tell us a little about where you grew up in China and a little about your
family?
I was born and raised in Tianjin. Whenever I am asked
where that is, I usually say that it’s a city next to China’s capital city,
Beijing. LOL. Like most of my friends, I am the only child of my family. The
one word I would use to describe my parents would be “ambitious.” Both of them
are very ambitious about me as “the future of my family.” I am, as the saying
goes, the “apple of their eyes.” Since my parents did not have many opportunities
when they were my age, they worked extra hard so that I could get access to the
best education.
You
attended Tianjin Foreign Languages School. Recently the school was featured in
a profile and here is part of what was said:
"Mastery and proficiency in languages alone is no
longer sufficient to prepare the students for the competitive global
market," said Diao Yajun, principal of Tianjin Foreign Language School,
which has 2,100 students in six grades.
"It's more important to boost creative and
innovative thinking, so that students can better adapt to the global community
whatever their future major and career is."
First
of all, did the school teach students to be more than just good students and if
so how did they do this?
I’d say that they did an absolutely great job at
preparing students for the real world. So if you travel back in time, you would
see that the typical “good” students are also involved in tons of activities on
campus – partly because of TFLS’s dedicated support for student leadership
development, creativity and international outreach. TFLS is an open-minded
place where any student can make things happen. “Dreaming big” was not
something we were taught at school, but it was just there – embedded in our
culture.
A
lot of people in education in the US (and In China too) say that schools in
China only teach students to be great test takers. I hear this all the time and
yet I know some schools in China are doing far more. Would you say there is too
much emphasis on rote learning or is this becoming an outdated paradigm for top
schools in China?
From my personal experience at TFLS, learning by rote was
never a thing. Take for example my English classes, teachers ALWAYS encourage us to practice what we learn from the
textbook with one another and with native speakers. In those days, we did
recite considerable amount of texts from “Look Ahead” (the textbook we used for
our English classes)… sometimes 400 words per week. But everybody understood
that it was for our own benefits. Believe it or not, recitation was a wonderful
way to turn something unfamiliar into a habit. The more I practiced, the more I
spoke and thought like a native
speaker. At some point, it’s just like relying on muscle memory when playing
the piano! I might have excelled at test taking, but I know the things I
learned at TFLS would help me excel at cross-cultural communications.
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Tianjin Foreign Language School |
Were
there substantive activities associated with the school and if so what were
they?
In terms of activities, the performing arts were
definitely a big theme in my days – it’s really been a while! There were also
debate societies, Model United Nations Club, TFLS Television, and a variety of
other activities. One thing that I had at school, which I’m not sure still
exists now, was that on every Friday afternoon, students had “activities time”
where they could shop around and join one of their favorite. It’s definitely
one of the highlights of my middle school education. I love the opportunity to
explore and learn more from my teachers and my peers.
From
there you decided to change your life by attending a school in the UK. The
school itself has a unique history and is not well known in the US, First of
all how did you find out about Royal Wolverhampton School? Why did
you decide to go there, and finally what was it like? Was it a tough adjustment?
Did you find the academics challenging? Can you say why you chose the subjects
you did your GCE’s in?
The long story began
with a global merit scholarship exam that the British Council in China held on
behalf of the Royal Wolverhampton School (RWS) in November 2009. TFLS was, very
fortunately, one of the participant schools that sent candidates to take this
exam. So I found out about RWS through the British Council. If I were lucky to
be selected by the school, I would have a chance to get 100% funding to pursue
two years of high school education in the UK. That was the only thing I knew
about the school when I went to take the exam. I didn’t consider going abroad
for high school very seriously at the time and wasn’t sure if I would make one
of the seven global scholars they looked for. That’s why I put these thoughts
away as soon as I finished the exam.
I was notified of my
admissions to the program with full scholarship in April 2010 and hence began
one of the most heated discussions in my family’s history. Should I go or
should I not go? Trust me, it was a tremendously difficult decision to make! I
was ready to say yes because I always wanted to travel around the world and
become a global citizen. My parents were a lot more conservative and suggested
that I weigh the pros and cons of going abroad, which they saw as a risky step
to take. In the end, I listened to my heart and embraced the uncertainty.
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Lisa at RWS |
For my parents who
used to see me 7 days a week, my going abroad at the age of 17 was definitely a
tough adjustment. But for myself, it wasn’t at all. I traveled all by myself to
the U.S. for a two-month leadership summer camp when I was 15 and then to
Melbourne, Australia shortly before I turned 17. So going to England was not a
daunting idea, nor was it in practice. I still remember the moment I arrived at
the façade of RWS – it was just like one of those royal castles in Harry
Potter! Engraved on the building were the words that revealed the magic of the
place – “I was a stranger, and you took me in.” A stranger as I was to the rest
of the school, I found a warm and welcoming home. It was a comfortable place
where I developed my personality and made lifelong friends.
In terms of academics,
it was definitely more challenging than I expected – challenging in the sense that
the methods of learning were almost alien to me. Take my favorite subject,
history, for example. GCE A Level history was so much less about memorizing
facts and figures than it was about logically structuring the facts and figures
we know into a coherent argument. I struggled with writing in an argumentative
style from the beginning but got a handle on it over time. As a huge fan of
social sciences, I also chose Sociology, Geography and Economics, all of which
gave me a better understanding of the society I live in and the rationale
behind human behavior. On top of these four subjects, I completed Mathematics
and Further Mathematics in my own time during the first year so that I would
have the time to focus on more uncharted territories in my second year.
How were you treated socially (As an aside I know of some
international students who have attended boarding schools in the UK and had
great experiences academically and socially and others who did well academically but felt very marginalized socially) What activities did you take part in
and what did you learn from them?
RWS boasted a very
close-knit but welcoming community. When I first got there, I didn’t feel like
an international student at all. I was treated equally with domestic students,
if not more favorably! Although I was a part of the Sixth Form (the British
equivalent of high school), I got a lot of opportunities to mingle with girls
from lower years since we lived in the same boarding house. It was a ton of fun
getting to know many others who have grown up in a totally different background
from mine. This prepared me well to serve on the Prefect Team (the British
version of “student council”) as the Head Girl when I was in Year 13. Being
Head Girl was exciting for me but also meant responsibilities. I worked very
closely with RWS’s senior leadership and coordinated Prefect meetings with the
Head Boy. We organized bonding activities as well as outreach programs for the
community. It was a big part of my life at RWS that I still miss a lot.
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Lisa in her duties as Head Girl at RWS |
From what I can tell you are exceptionally talented when
it comes to the fine arts. How long have you been playing the piano? Do you
have any videos or recordings of a performance you’d be wiling to share? You
also do Chinese calligraphy. And you sing as well. Did your
parents guide you into the arts early on? And when did you realize you were
gifted this way?
I’ve been playing the
piano for almost 17 years! I started playing since I was 4 years old. It was
less of a self discovery process in the very beginning but gradually became
one. My mom had an instrumental role in my musical education. She is not
musical herself but read a lot about the benefits of musical training for
children starting from an early age. She was also a big proponent of learning
about Chinese culture through Chinese calligraphy. If it were not for my mom’s
perseverance in accompanying me to all these lessons outside of school, I would
have given up a long time ago! As a child, I did rebel against the “burdens”
imposed upon me from time to time; as a young adult, however, I feel immensely
grateful for my training in the arts from early on. Up till now, music and the
arts are still indispensable to my extracurriculars. I feel that I have begun
to claim ownership over what I do and I am loving it!
How have these interests shaped your personality and your
way of approaching learning?
Practicing the fine
arts from an early age was definitely beneficial to my personal development.
Having to play long pieces of music from memory gave me very good mental
exercises while practicing Chinese calligraphy made me slow down and focus on
my inner world. Both made me a better person. I treat music as a special friend
of mine with whom I can “talk about” almost anything. This is especially
helpful when I have so much stress but nobody around to talk to!
You decided to apply to colleges and universities in the
US. How did you decide where to apply and how hard was it to prepare for SAT
and write essays etc? Did the school know much about US colleges or did you get
advising in some other way?
Unlike domestic
students, I didn’t have the opportunities to visit college campuses before
applying. I spent time researching schools on their websites but honestly, all
of them look like places where I want to be! I also talked to alums from TFLS
who attended top universities in the U.S. but there were not a lot of them
either. The summer before the application season, I participated in the LiberalArts College Tour China where I talked to admissions officers from liberal arts colleges such as Williams
College. I learned about the differences between comprehensive universities and
the smaller liberal arts colleges and felt that I would love to be a member of the
latter. It was a great opportunity as well as a turning point in my college
research.
I prepared for the
SATs on my own while in England. It was not the easiest experience since I had
to juggle between test prep and my academics. When it comes to essays, I had
this peculiar idea that nobody is able to know me better than myself. I trusted
the power of my individual voice in my essays and mostly refrained from
consulting outside resources.
How many schools did you apply to? What did you chose to
write about in your essays and did you send arts supplements?
Ultimately I applied
to 20+ schools in the U.S. (I know it’s a little scary!) mainly because I
applied for financial aid for every single one of them. Financial aid for
international students was limited and extremely competitive. Especially after
the financial crises of 2008, many top schools (including Williams College)
revised their need-blind financial aid policy for international students. My
essays were very personal. I wrote multiple versions for different schools. One
of them was about my observations of the human society in general while
swimming in a crowded pool during the summer holiday. Another essay talked
about my reflections on my strained relationship with writing when I was young
and why I grew up to produce my own literature. If there was a general trend in
my essays, it would be “liberal artsy!” This probably explains why I was
admitted to the majority of liberal arts colleges I applied to.
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Graduation from RWS |
You were accepted to Williams College, which Forbes has
just picked as the number 1 school in the US. They take very few students
overall and very few from China. I don’t know any other way to ask this, so
what makes you so special? Why do you think you earned a spot at one of the
most selective schools in the world?
Williams admissions
staff do a great job figuring out who is a good fit for the college. I actually
don’t know what made me so special – you might have to ask the admissions to
find out about this haha – but I will share with you my guesses: intellectual
curiosity (this one absolutely comes first), creativity, kindness and concerns
for the community (personality matters), and the ability to take advantage of
the best liberal arts education in the country. On this note, I add that
Williams is a challenging place to study at given that professors push students
very hard, so I’d say that the ability to handle academics is crucial. Looking
back, I do think I conveyed many of these values in various parts of my
applications.
You have now been at Williams for a few years. How was
your initial adjustment? Can you describe what it is like to attend a small
liberal arts college? What do you like the most about it and what would you
change about the school if you could?
Williams has been a
home-like place for me since day one. Our small size means that we bump into
one another all the time and that our community is super close-knit. I certainly
felt everybody was welcoming! My initial transition from high school to college
was smooth in general. However, the academics in freshman year was particularly
challenging – perhaps I overestimated my ability to handle higher level courses
from the beginning! The materials in class were very difficult compared to what
I was used to back in high school. But as I move up the class rank, I have come
to the realization that the academic training I have received from Williams is
the most precious thing from which I will always benefit endlessly. Although
Williams doesn’t offer practical professional training, I think it has given me
invaluable skills to ponder on a wide range of problems that we face as a human
race. Williams is a perfect bubble to live in. People who love it wouldn’t want
to change anything about it, but people who don’t would probably want to change
everything. I love Williams.
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Lisa with Williams apparel back in China |
Some students who come from China worry about the small
size of your school and the town that it is in. What would you say to these
students to allay their concerns?
This is a fair concern
for Chinese students. But I would say that coming to Williams is a
self-selective process. My advice for future applicants is this: if a small
community located in the middle of nowhere is a deal-breaker for you, don’t
apply to Williams just for the name! Even if you are admitted and decide to
enroll, you won’t feel happy being here.
I am perfectly content
with spending the best four years of my life in Williamstown. Granted, it is
remote, small, quiet… but at the same time, it really makes you focus on
thinking carefully about who you are.
(You have no idea how many college students don’t even think about this. But at
Williams, there are plenty of opportunities to engage in a conversation with
yourself!) If this isn’t enough to win your heart, Williams is also home to some
of the most amazing artworks around the world in the Clark Institute and boasts
a very strong music culture. (We now have a Chinese Music Ensemble!) No other
college in this country offer students opportunities to take tutorials across the entire curriculum – yes, including math and science! Having taken a
tutorial myself, I promise you this is the most rigorous academic training you
will ever have and will prepare you for literally anything you aspire for after
graduation. The last thing I will mention is that Williams also has the most
amazing alums in the country. So far I have had 100% response rate to every
email I write to connect with alums working in firms I am interested in. Every
single one of them, no matter what titles they hold and how busy they are, are always willing to jump on the phone with
me for 30 minutes or longer! I feel so special to be a part of Williams. And I
hope you can say this to yourself someday as well!
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On campus at Williams |
What are you studying? Can you talk a bit about a few
favorite classes and why you like them?
I am now officially an
Economics and History double major at Williams. My favorite classes so far have
been across multiple disciplines, including Political Science, Ethics, and
History. The one that I would like to highlight among all is Fin-de-siecle Russia (a history
tutorial) that I took in sophomore spring. It was my first tutorial at
Williams, so I felt much anxiety. Being both reading-intensive and
writing-intensive, this tutorial would often take up a good chunk of my time
during a normal academic week! But looking back at those all-nighters I pulled
during the spring, I don’t regret this experience at all. For those people who
are not so familiar with the tutorial system, we normally have a one-hour –
sometimes slightly longer – class meeting per week during which one student
presents an 8-page paper while another student critiques it. Tutorials tend to
be discussion-driven and is monitored by the instructor who only plays a minor
role which means that students like I am responsible for deciding on how best
to guide the class and lead discussions. What I learned from Fin-de-siecle Russia was not only how to
make an argument, but also how to synthesize information and articulate them in
a structured way that contributes to the general understanding of the period in
question. On the other hand, coming up with critiques that go well with a well-written
essay can be even more challenging than writing a good essay! I often thought
about my tutorial as a “historical struggle.” (Joking!) Ultimately, however, it
was worth wrestling with thought-provoking questions that did not have exact
answers (because history is full of contingencies that we fail to explain) and
drawing general historical tendencies from the particular periods being read.
How charming is history itself!
Have you found a mentor there of any sort and if so who
is it and what do they do to mentor you?
Every Williams student
has one or more academic advisors throughout the four years. The idea is that
we all have someone to seek advice from in freshman/ sophomore year and that
after we declare majors, we are able to pick major advisors from relevant
departments. Every student has the flexibility to choose advisors at any point
during the four years if doing so helps with their academic and professional
development. For example, I was assigned an advisor in freshman year who was a professor
taught Arabic. Although we get along super well, her knowledge felt short of
my intended areas of study. So I asked my Political Science professor, with
whom I took a class in freshman fall, to become my advisor in sophomore year.
It worked out so nicely that I got to learn more about different departments
and also make friends with faculty members! (yes, it is more than possible at
Williams to have a professor friend!) And this year, I have two advisors – one
from the Economics department and the other from the History department. They
are both dedicated to teaching and giving personal guidance, which make me love
Williams even more.
What sorts of things are you involved with there and why
did you join them?
Since freshman year I’ve
been a loyal member of Far Ephs Movement (FEM), an Asian a cappella group
founded by two recent graduate students from China. The fact that FEM is a
cultural as well as singing group gives me a sense of belongingness. I
was elected the co-leader for FEM towards the end of last semester and have
been leading group rehearsals since then. I also served as a public relations
representative for Chinese American Student Organization in the past and a
piano accompanist for voice lessons at the Music department. This year, I am
working as a student ambassador for the Career Center where I am in charge of
organizing outreach events that incentivize first year students to start their
career discovery. We’ve just had our first open house event last Friday – it
was very successful! I also started working as a history research assistant for
the “Mapping Early American Frontiers” project and will soon serve on the
Junior Advisory Board for the History department. I participate in every one of
these activities because I enjoy getting involved in all areas of campus life.
You probably wouldn’t believe me, but there are hundreds of students at
Williams who have even more diverse campus experience than I do. It excites me
to see that everybody around me is willing to try new things – it definitely
gives me more power to pursue my passions. FEM video channel on Youtube
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Far Ephs Movement (FEM) |
You have also had some exceptional experiences with
internships. Can you talk a bit about what you did with Wine Intelligence?

You just finished an internship with a great
business: Dunwello
For
those who are not familiar with Dunwello can you briefly describe what it is
and then say how you obtained the internship and what it is you are doing
there?

I
am sure you have been asked this a million times so please forgive me, but if
you could be doing anything when you graduate what would it be and why? Do you
have short-term plans and long term plans ahead?
This is a great question actually! I am interested in
starting my career in management consulting after college. Management consulting
excites me because I know that my career won’t be pigeonholed into a single
area from the very beginning and that I will be able to work across different industries
and practices before I find my forte. Since Williams doesn’t teach its students
skills needed on the actual job, I will get to apply the method of learning to the
real world – which will be very exciting! An early career in professional
services set the stage for my long-term goals, including getting an MBA degree
and eventually starting my own business.
Do
you have advice for students and families who have their hopes set on getting
into great schools like Williams? How should they prepare and plan ahead?
One thing that I regretted not doing enough was reading.
I feel that I can’t stress the importance of reading too much. I grew up with
lots of books that my mom kindly bought for me, but I let them sit lonely on my
bookshelf most of the times and only realized how important they mean to my
intellectual growth when I went to England for high school. Read voraciously.
Love your books. They will help you as the time goes by. Another piece of
advice would be, don’t waste time doing something you wouldn’t like. If
community service is not your thing, stay away from it and spend time with your
passions. The time you waste following others’ footsteps may well add value
elsewhere. It’s really all about who you are and what you decide on pursuing.
Aim for the long run, because getting into great schools like Williams is never
the finishing line.
Do
you wish someone had given you some advice before you started your time at
Williams and if so what would it have been?
I secretly wish that someone could have given me advice
on how to balance my priorities, which was something everybody at Williams
seems to struggle with. At Williams, we often hear about “effortless
perfection” – a deceptive conception that we all tend to believe to be true. In
other words, we think of each other as perfect individuals who get straight As
for all classes while handling multiple leadership positions on campus while
having a wonderful personal life. Oftentimes, this is not true in reality.
There are endless opportunities here at Williams, but it is overwhelming to the
degree that it is difficult to figure out what’s the best for me. Realizing how
much choice I have over my college
life can be a little intimidating from time to time. Or maybe college is intended
to catch me off-guard in its classic way – constantly confronting me with
difficult questions while asking me to be the lighthouse in my life.
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Lisa’s experience going from China to the UK to Williams
demonstrates the lengths that some students are willing to go through to find
the best educational fit. It’s clear that she is a star, not just in her
academics, but also through her leadership and her involvement in the arts and
other activities that develop what some call soft skills.
While some critics like William Deresiewicz bemoan the way students prepare to attend college
and then act like “excellent sheep” once they are there, I don't think he knows enough students to substantiate his claims as endemic to the education students immerse themselves in at many schools. (His article on this
issue has the most views of any article in the on-line history of the New
Republic). Are there some students like he critiques at elite schools? Yes, but far less than he seems to think. Would he dare to call Lisa an excellent sheep? Lisa undercuts this stereotype
in many ways. She is an active learner who challenges herself in just about
every way. (I asked Mr. Deresiewicz questions directly about this topic after a lecture he gave recently. I would add that he needs to talk to more students who do not fit into his stereotypical rubric. He should gather some data as well. Name calling does not help promote education.)
She was willing to leave home and country for her
education. More important, she has sought out opportunities that will allow her
some great choices for her future. Increasingly, students need to reach out and
learn to network to open doors and find professors who will serve as mentors and
to others who can help with internships and job advice. Lisa and I have talked
about the ‘what’s next’ question several times. She has then talked with some
people in her fields of interest to get their perspective on the transition
from school to the real world. She has just recently been fast--tracked for a job at one of the top investment banks in the world.
Her range of skills is deep and she is curious about the
world. These two qualities will serve her well when she begins her new position. Her experience at Williams should be used as an
example for many other students who often think that small Liberal Arts Schools
do not have the same networks and opportunities for internships as some
business programs at universities. Many students, especially those outside the
US, don’t look closely enough at the way schools like Williams teach students
to solve problems creatively and with critical thinking skills. In addition,
the small classes also require students to talk and develop superior communication
skills. Many employers look for skill sets rather than majors when hiring candidates
and Lisa has so many skills it’s hard to imagine what she can’t do.
I would like to thank her for taking the time to share
her experience here. I look forward to following her as she heads out into the
world. She will be a leader who has a genuine concern for others. I am lucky to
know her.
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